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Tuesday, 17 May 2011

Did you sacrifice your career for love?


Have you ever sacrificed your career for love?

Last week, when Maria Shriver and Arnold Schwarzenegger announced their separation after 25 years of marriage, there was the usual speculation. What happened? Did he cheat? Was there a fight over the last bottle of fake tan? Did she finally watch Kindergarten Cop? As it turns out, it was a little more than that, Schwarzenegger has now admitted to fathering a child with one of his staff.

One of the recurring comments in the media, and perhaps the most intriguing, is when speaking of Maria Shriver, the inevitable mention of her 'sacrificing' her career for Schwarznegger's two terms as the Governor of California. In 2004, in the months following her husbands inauguration, Shriver asked to be "relieved" of duties, she said at the time that she had realized her  "journalistic integrity and that of NBC will be constantly scrutinized" if she were to stay. In the same breath she also mentioned finding it hard to juggle her unusual dual roles, obviously it didn't pack as much of a punch as a 'sacrificial' headline.

Why does the media do this? Why is she made to be the 'sacrificial' wife?

Sure Maria wasn't happy about stepping away from her NBC career, but she was no shrinking violet. Please, this time, let's not see the politician's wife played out as the damsel in distress while Arnie sucks away on his cigar with Sly at lunch. Let's give the woman some credit.

Maria Shriver, is of course, amongst many other things, a well known and successful journalist in the US. She is the mother of four children, a many times published author, a television producer, a strong advocate for volunteerism, the Founder of The Women's Conference and well, there are way to many things to list. The woman is no slouch. She is also a part of the Kennedy clan, her mother Eunice Kennedy Shriver was John F Kennedy's sister.

As women, do we sacrifice our careers or do we make informed decisions with our partners. Are we still blindly going in, hoping for the best? Or do we go in with our eyes open?

To put Maria Shrivers position in to perspective, California has a higher population than both Australia and Canada. It has the eighth largest economy in the world. I imagine, in the role of first lady, you'd make some very influential connections and have an opportunity to fund and initiate projects that you believed in. Shriver certainly achieved this in her role, with an incredible amount of work dedicated to both Alzheimer's and Volunteerism. Shrivers father was a victim of Alzheimer's, her mother, the Founder of the Special Olympics, it's not hard to see where her inspiration came from.

Was she sacrificing her career or did she perhaps expand, challenge and develop it?

I've attended my own farewell party at the office, twice in the past ten years. Like a lot of women, the first time involved a pregnancy. Coincidently at about the twelve week mark when we began doing the math of childcare centres and maternity leave, my husband was offered a job overseas, in the package was a living allowance and a higher salary. For the both of us, the decision was a no brainer. We began packing up the house.

The second time I resigned, once again from a role that I loved, involved another International career move, for my husband. Once again a discussion was had, numbers were crunched and the best outcome for us both, as a couple, and as a family, was reached. How can I say it was the best for me, because the chance to stay in my role was offered, and I didn't choose it. As much as I loved my job, there were reasons to leave that worked for everyone.

Female Traveling Spouses are often depicted as women who gave up everything for their man. Do I feel that way? Definitely not. My husband and I have a partnership, we make joint decisions and I feel  I have enough skills to keep myself employable. Sure, there are days I could pack up and go home, but I made the choice to be here. Like most women I have to find the balance between relationship, work and family. This is a universal issue, not just mine.

I wonder when we talk about career sacrifices if we're on the right track. Maybe the sacrifices are only there when the choices are not. Did you get to choose between working or staying at home with a baby? Or is it a luxury you can't afford. Remember the women before you, the school teachers and bankers who were forced to leave the workforce upon marriage or motherhood. No choice.

Ultimately, isn't that what we all want? The right to choose full-time, part-time, no time, children or not, single or not.

I don't think I sacrificed my career for love, sure our children have provided some interesting situations and challenges, particularly when we were both working full time, but I've always felt we were in this together.

Although our workforce remains unbalanced in both senior positions and equal pay for women with a long way to go, with a background in HR I've seen how far we've come. It's changing and it's up to us to keep working at changing it. I wonder if talking about giving up our career as a sacrifice is the best way to describe it? A sacrifice sounds almost terminal. It means giving something up. Are you giving it up or stepping away? Are you working it, moulding it, making it the right fit for you? Are you making choices or are you really 'sacrificial'.

With news of several networks currently discussing possible options with Maria Shriver, including her good friend Oprah Winfrey, it appears the career we continue to be told was 'sacrificed' is rolling along quite nicely. Her only questionable choice so far, appears to be her choice in men.



34 comments:

  1.  Wonderful post.  I am ever so grateful I dont have to go back to my (crappy) pre-babies job.  One day I want to have a job I enjoy, but at the moment, I am quite content to stay at home with my two little girls.  Lets see if I feel any differently about this when we finally move to HK in 7 weeks.....

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  2. What a thought-provoking post, Kirsty.  Beautifully written. It's about time I wrote my post on how I switched from being a solicitor in a big Sydney firm to being a SAHM. J x Sydney firm to being a SAHM. J x

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  3.  Great question, and one that never seems to go away.  I am back at work now after 10 years at home with my boys.  I am expecting to work (teaching) when we move to Seoul, but there are no guarantees.  I like the way you describe your decisions as having been jointly made with your partner for the ultimate best of the whole family.  That is the way we have always made ours, and I suspect Shriver did the same.  I never felt for a minute that I was 'sacrificing' my career, but was always profoundly grateful that we were able to make my staying home work for us.  

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  4. Thought-provoking post and question.  Although I do love what I am doing now (and working for myself), I do feel I have sacrificed my career for the sake of living in the same country as my husband and then for the children.  Would I have been better-known as an academic?  Possibly.  Would I have been better-paid as a management consultant? Most probably.  But would I have been as happy as I am now? (Even when I have my frantic days and the kids are conspiring to make me question the wisdom of motherhood?) Certainly not!

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  5.  I did give up my career to stay home with the kids, but it was a career I was no longer interested in (as Payroll Administrator - you know, the 'love child' of HR and Accounting?)

    Both Eunice and her husband (Sargent Shriver, U.S. Ambassador to France, and founder of the Peace Corps,) were extraordinary people, and they didn't raise a fool:  I think Maria knew exactly what she was doing, and now has the unique opportunity to parlay that into anything she wants.  And good for her that this 'publicity' will ultimately benefit her in the end!

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  6. I agree, I think Eunice was an incredible woman and I love Maria's stories of life growing up with her parents. How they had a discussion at the dinner table each night with a topic or an idea. She's definitely no dummy.

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  7. G and I are both from Oz so I've never had to contemplate giving up my country as well as my career. Perhaps the ultimate sacrifice for love?

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  8. Carolyne, I love hearing about people taking extended periods at home and having a successful return to work. I was at home for 6 and a half years and returned initially part-time and then full-time. I remember the nerves on the first day were a killer. I did about three practice runs over the weekend before I started. After you've been back for a week you almost forget what it was like to be home. I always wished that I'd known that when I was at home stressing about my return to work.

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  9. Let me know when you write it, I'd love to read it. Kx

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  10. It's nice to have the choice, either way. Kx

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  11. Maria wasn't shy about voicing her unhappiness at having to give up her NBC work. I think she definitely thought of it as a sacrifice. Remember also, she was brought up  under an incredible spotlight so  the first lady of CA role wouldn't have been as glamorous for her. (And to think he was Tom-catting around while all this was going on. Grrr.) 

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  12. I'm not sure what your visa situation is but it seems a lot more clear cut than mine. As a UK citizen there is no way I would get  a work visa in USA unless I had a Phd or similar high qualification and could prove I could do a job than no american can do! So in a way you have had the best of both worlds being allowed to work legally and travelling about. In my situation I was more than happy to give up a career in the UK to move to US to have the kids although it seems like my green card will be coming soon and then I will probably get a job. 

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  13. Congrats on the Green card. Libya has been the only country out of the seven that I haven't been able to work, we arrived with a 2 year old and and a 2 week old and left 2 years later with an extra child so it wasn't such an issue. I am still gobsmacked by your 10 year wait. Would it have been the same situation  for your partner had you moved to the UK?

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  14. I agree, she wasn't shy about it and rightly so. I never understood as she always had a political background so why the sudden difference? What I did think was interesting, was in 2007 when she said she was giving up news completely after the excessive coverage of Anna Nicole Smith."I kind of made up my mind I did not want to go back into the news division after watching the Anna Nicole Smith frenzy," Shriver said. "I was just flabbergasted by that. How it was across the board, all encompassing and I just thought to myself, this is not where I want to work.""I actually quit and I said, you know what, this ship has sailed, it's not for me.""I kind of made up my mind I did not want to go back into the news division after watching the Anna Nicole Smith frenzy," Shriver said. "I was just flabbergasted by that. How it was across the board, all encompassing and I just thought to myself, this is not where I want to work.""I actually quit and I said, you know what, this ship has sailed, it's not for me."

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  15. It appears Arnie fathered a child with an employee, according to the BBC today.

    I gave up my decent job in the UK to come and live with my American wife.  I don't regret it, but it's a shock to the system not having all that income!   I am currently waiting for my green card.

    Paul
    http://fromsheeptoalligators.blogspot.com/

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  16. Yes he did (last sentence of the first paragraph....if the tabloids have it correctly).

    How long do you have to wait for your green card? Fingers and toes crossed for you that it's not 10 years like EmmaK!

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  17. I did a stint on ad features for my sins (which are
    obviously many and varied and will one day see me sunk in a pit of sulphur,
    vomit and Boney M Christmas albums).


     


    I was a partner in a busy law firm in Adelaide for 20 years, when I moved to Sweden as a
    “love immigrant” in my early 40s, knowing neither the language or much about
    the country itself. My husband is Swedish and so in love with his country (plus
    he has 4 children here from a previous marriage) and the Swedish immigration
    department is much less bureaucratic that Australia's,
    so it was far easier for me to move to Sweden
    than it was for him to move to Australia.
    Could two countries be further apart?

    When I first arrived a decade ago, I looked at getting my qualifications
    recognised and seeing what I’d need to do to work here in my field, but the
    news was not good. Here my Aussie degree and an MBA from Oxford almost (but not quite) qualified me
    for a job sweeping the underground station.


     


    I discovered that I’d have to study
    Swedish to university standard (usually a 5 year full time undertaking), then
    take a course in the Swedish legal system, (1 to 2 years), then see if someone
    wanted to employ a geriatric “junior”. Given the fact that Swedes are
    remarkably loathe to litigate in the first place, it’s not exactly a growth
    industry, so I decided that I’d not bother. But at my age, I’d done a 20 year
    stint at the front-line, that I was ready for a sea-change.


     


    So yes I suppose that you could say that I gave up my career for
    love.  But to be fair, at my age I recognised even before I went to Sweden
    that I was NEVER going to be employed at the level I had been in Australia.
    And, if you are out of work in Australia now, and especially if you're over,
    say, 45, unless you invent some kind of miracle drug or have skills unheard of
    in 98 percent of the population, you're probably never going to work again at
    that level either.


     


    Despite all that, I'm still pinching myself to see if I died and
    went to heaven when I moved here. I still feel that it's the best move I ever
    made. Not that any choice doesn't have its' negatives, because this one does
    also. But on the whole of it, including all of the factors which make up a
    decision, this one comes out clearly in favour of having done the right thing -
    lack of career or not.




    I base it on a personal feeling of happiness, being
    able to laugh often, feel enjoyment and contentment. In most ways, life here is
    much harder in the sense of personal challenges. But I thrive in a challenging
    environment. It means that I can never get bored. The sense of accomplishment
    and personal satisfaction always makes me feel good about myself. Don't ask me
    why I'm typing all this, but it was just something that I think about often.
    Kind of measuring internally to see if I still feel the same. Guess I do.




     






     

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  18.  Hmm... I see a bit of text at the beginning of the comment that isn't mine. I'm not sure quite how that happened, but comments have been really flakey for me today. I'd better give it up now :-)

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  19.  Every time you write something I can relate to it exactly - in an almost scary way. If I am thinking about something I just have to check your blog and you will have written about it - saves me the trouble of keeping up my sporadic blog and done much more eloquently here. x

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  20. Marie, your comment really resonated with me. I loved it when you said "I base it on a personal feeling of happiness, being
    able to laugh often, feel enjoyment and contentment." Thank you!I base it on a personal feeling of happiness, beingable to laugh often, feel enjoyment and contentment." Thank you!

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  21.  Interesting and thought provoking post. 

    My choice was easily made but I have friends who struggled with the decision to move abroad and give up their career. Have posted a response on my blog.

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  22. Great post.
    I have only one comment: we always have a choice.

    LCM x

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  23. Naturally Carol18 May 2011 at 21:01

    The choices go beyond what is happening in the here and now..I think Maria did the right thing..it wasn't a career so much that she was giving up because she kept on acheiving amazing things..but keeping her integrity which shows her strength of character. However Arnie's character is obviously a lot weaker as he couldn't even give up mistresses to keep his own integrity concerning the wedding vows he chose to make to Maria! 

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  24. Being in a similar position to you Kirsty, I feel the same. The only real 'sacrifice' I have made was leaving my home and family. To enhance Rich's career we have missed out on having our closest family members around us to enjoy the milestones along the way. Not just the birthdays and Christmas ( which to be fair they do make the effort) but the other things, first steps, words, first day at school. The time Maya performed her heart out on stage, the honor awards, riding a bike, the dance recital and the times when I've just needed my mummy too.
    Do I regret it for a moment? No. Would I do it all again? You betcha. And not for a moment do I feel sorry for myself. We have a lifestyle that many would give their right arm for. But yes, there has been a 'sacrifice'. Just ask my mum!

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  25. Absolutely Rebecca. I don't feel my career has been sacrificed but time with family, friends, a sense of home and the all important hairdresser you can trust.....definitely a sacrifice!

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  26. Very well said. As a 'spouse' about to leave Australia in eight days' time, I'm already getting questions from friends, "So what about you? What are YOU going to do?"
    Replying with things like making sure a) that Sapphire gets into the english language-speaking school that's about to shut down for three months' holidays a week after we arrive
    b) ensure that she's happily settled into school and routine
    c) find a place to live in
    d) furnish it
    e) bring the dog over
    f) learn French
    and then - re-establish my freelance writing career
    ..... doesn't seem to satisfy them.

    I think, like you, that it's a partnership. LC won the job, but has constantly acknowledged privately and publicly that he wouldn't have considered it without our joint decision making and with the support he knew/knows I'm going to provide. As a writer my income has always been precarious but I never felt unequal.

    Maria will be fine. Arnie's infidelity was infamous for decades so maybe her 'career' as the Governator's wife was, in fact, her first choice? 

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  27.  I'm just so bored and over hearing about stupid and selfish men cheating on their wives. It really makes me angry. You can add Arnie to my blacklist

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  28. Brilliantly said as always,Kirst!! 

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  29. thankyou foryourblog23 May 2011 at 00:30

     Hi Shamozal - superbly written, thought provoking post. Thank you! I found your blog tonight & am loving it. 

    Sigh. Yes, I torched my career for love. I won't say "sacrificed" tho b/c I was aware of what I was doing, I did it consciously in the full knowledge that the love part might not work out. And, as it turned out - the love part broke.

    So I returned home to AU from California, where I'd gotten married & lived for 4 years. I secured an Australian divorce from my American (ex) husband. Then I spent another 2 years depressed and devastated by what I perceived to be a great personal failure. I cried. A lot.

    On my good days, I'm philosophical about chucking in (for the most part) a perfectly good career. I look at it objectively and say, "Had I not chosen to do that, I would never have known if marriage to him was the right thing for me." So. You know. Yeh. I learned from it.

    But on the bad days, I remind myself that I had to move to the US b/c my ex husband would not move to AU. I kick myself for being so accommodating and chide myself for not being stubborn and insist he move to AU. He'd already said no once, and I felt the only way 'we' could work was if I moved to his homeland.

    BARP! Wrong answer!

    However...ultimately tho, it's done. It's my job now to try to be in the present - the here and now - and not to concern myself with 'what was' or 'what could have been.' I have to be at peace with 'what is.'

    ... sigh ~

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  30. thankyou foryourblog23 May 2011 at 00:41

    PS:  Oh dear, I just re-read my comment and I sound like such a misery guts!  But. I will say one last thing ... if you asked me if I would do it all over again. I would say, "Nope."  Not b/c the marriage didn't work out, but b/c I didn't realise what I was giving up until it was too late. 

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  31. valentina vaselli24 May 2011 at 23:00

    oh kirsty, ill print this post and hand it around next time (and it happens on average 3 times per week since 2 years) somebody asks me if its not painful for me that i cant work as barrister having moved abroad for the carreer of my husband (last year) and when will i find a new job( since my daughter is born, 7 months ago), cause nobody wants to believe  I freely chose, after discussing with my husband, that as long as we an afford it, I prefer to stay home taking care of her than find a job and pay a nanny to watch her, a cleaning lady to keep the apartment and a catering when we have guests for dinner (which is quite often cause my husband has an expat job that involves a lot of formal - informal meetings for networking). My own parents were disappointed that after all the studiesmade to get the barrister license andthe PhD  in Law I became a stay at hme expat wife but now that my daughter is born they start to understand it is my choice and we are happy like this, me and P are partner in our choices and he's not the tyran and me the poor sweet wife following him!!

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  32. Thanks for writing this Kirsty and sorry it's taken me a while to circle back to this post. I know I've asked this question myself on my blog under the title 'Who Moves', where I asked is it always the woman who moves for her man? I agree with you that when the decision is a joint one then it takes into account the overall standard and quality of life for the entire family and that works well particularly when the family dynamic is working well. What I've experienced sadly, is that this becomes something of a burden when the marriage fails. I moved for my ex when my two eldest children were very young, twice (there and back when he lost the job!) and had to re-establish myself each time. When it came time to disassembling the marital assets an adjustment wasn't made to allow for the hit my career took whilst I made the decision (with my ex!) to stay at home with the kids. I could have fought for it, but sadly didn't have enough legal funding to do so. The result was that he continued on with scooting up the ladder without a career break, whilst I have tried to work a different path. I wouldn't want divorce for anyone really, it's brutal but I do wish sometimes that 'younger wives' ensured that they are secure in their skills and finances and that they could pick up their career, wherever in the world they might find themselves, should they need to do so. Vix xx

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  33. I think this is a great post and the whole media thing says a lot about our society. In the states, in the UK and in many economy driven countries our identity is defined by our jobs. We still live in patriarchal societies that value earning money and do not value mothering and the choice to look after the children and family. It's ironic really because many studies are finding that happiness is not defined necessarily by the job you do, but by the connections you have both in your family and in your community. Connections that are NOT strengthened necessarily by the jobs we do for financial gain but by the every day jobs that we do taking our kids to school feeding them and balancing a family life. When children are born, it is the woman that more commonly "gives up" her career but Society's definitions define a mum or wife role as minor. It is up to us as women to say, we are not giving up or sacrificing a career, we are choosing a new one, the most important one for many women all over the world, as a mother. Sadly, in a capitalist consumer society, mother has no value...until it does career women all over the world will be seen as giving up something incredibly valuabe (a career) for something of less value (family life). Any woman who is a mother knows that it's not that clear cut and many of us still pursue  careers in a different way. Perhaps it's up to us, as women to start to redefine the boundaries, write the media articles and find a new positive vocabulary for our life choices. Ironically enough, where you live, in Doha, despite many a Western stereotype about the passive Arab female and domineering Muslim man, the Arabic culture does have a high regard for the role of the woman in the family and the importance of child rearing and managing family life...

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  34. You can say whatever you want, in the end it all comes down to this- You gave up your career for someone else. You didn't choose your own path, you chose to follow someone else's......

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